53. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. We ARE the church my friend! We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Praise the lord for forgiveness. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. Peace. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. Its the inspired word of God. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. 31. If I have misunderstood I apologize. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. They are already spelled out in the Bible. Hey there. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Abortion is murder. 24. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. They are counting on your service and tithe. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. 6. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of It didnt raise red flags for me. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. He is the Head of the church. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). 7 You hypocrites! I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I prefer Kjv! Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. 15. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. 1 John 1:9 (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. N/A If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Not of works, lest any man should boast. ? You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. God forgave my husband through Christ. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. 7. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. No, because thats not Gods will. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. Some of these doctrines are as listed. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its my calling and my ministry. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. 25. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. There isn't much out there on the web. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. JUDAH. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. 55. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Wow, nice list. You might The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. This is very good. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. Scofield Bible!!!! If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Praise the lord for giving it to us. 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If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. N/A Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. 47. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. 52. Its insidious and extremely toxic. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Such as??? The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have no position or opinion of this We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. N/A I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. 27. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). THE LAST THINGS We didnt go, but they came back the next week. No one knew about the marriage except us. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical 3. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Its never spoken but up there to read. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. Hypocrites! They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. 39. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. I only hope that you will see it before too long. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. I forgave him before he changed. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Did you read it? 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. Plus they pray to the saints. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Wow! What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism.
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